April 24, 2014

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Poll shows most Ohio voters would repeal union law

COLUMBUS — A new poll finds most Ohio voters would dump the state’s new law that limits bargaining by public employees and bars them from striking.

In the Quinnipiac University survey released today, 54 percent said the law should be repealed, 36 percent said it should be kept. Also, 58 percent oppose banning all strikes by public workers.

A petition drive is under way to have voters decide the fate of the law, signed in late March by Gov. John Kasich.

The poll also found that 53 percent of Ohio voters said the Republican governor’s budget proposals are unfair to people like them.

Pollsters surveyed 1,379 registered voters by phone from May 10 through Monday. The poll has a margin of error of 2.6 percentage points.

  • dkovacs

    great article in PD
    http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2011/05/discussions_with_ohio_casino_d.html

    The voters in Ohio have spoken. Governor John “Wild Eyes” Kasich has no right to spend our
    money–public money– on these consultants. This is just another example of his padding the pockets of his corporate cronies at the expense of the tax payers. What will he do next, try to sell the public universities in Ohio to private developers. I bet he could get a bundle for The Ohio State University

  • chickvelotta

    I’d like to see Blue Collar Team 6 march into Kasichistan and have a few words with O’Johna Bin Kasich. Local tyrant #1. Stop the madness, John! How can O’Johna appoint a commission to review the casino issue at MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF STATE $, but continue to cut away at education, public employees & the City of Cleveland. Dirty politics, big business and LOTS of $$$. At our expense. Thanks O’Johna.

  • cman

    i don’t know who they “polled” but no one called me or anyone i know – if this doesn’t show normal level headed people with common sense that the public sector unions dont give 2 $hits about us and the fact that we are broke
    these parasites are going to spend a lotta money fighting this rather than than just starting to live within their new means – scumbags

  • chickvelotta

    @ Chris,

    What happened, Chris? You seem angry. Did the firemen not respond quick enough? Did you recently get a ticket you don’t agree with? Did the teacher scold your Johnny, who I’m sure does no wrong? These “parasites” are your neighbors and community members who worked hard to get where they’re at. These “scumbags” are also level headed people with common sense, just like you, Chris, who refuse to be ruled with an iron fist. You think teachers are rollin’ in dough, living the high life? How many cops & firemen live in the affluent part of town? If you’re broke, don’t blame/hate on the public workers, blame the source. This Gov. is on a major power trip and is ruining this state. The parasites and scumbags are the dirty politicians in Columbus & Washington. I know we can agree on that.

    It seems to me as if you’re jealous of the life these hard working, middle class Ohioans have established for themselves. Wouldn’t you fight to keep what you’ve got, assuming you weren’t broke? It’s a free country, Chris. Go grab the bull by the horns.

  • totellthetruth

    Chick, you have a lot of nerve insinuating that Chris is angry. Maybe my argument will be lost on you since, with your name calling, you appear to be about 12 years old. Where would you like to govoner to cut money from? What you refer to as an “iron fist”, most rational people refer to as fiscal responsibility. When the company that I work for is haveing a tough year I assume that I will not get some automatic raise. I, being eduacated, understand the logic behind this, adjust my budget accordingly and move on with life. I should not have to adjust my budget further because people who work for ME, a taxpayer, feel entitled to more money when thier company, the state, is having a tough year. As for the article, the poll was done by a university which I will assume has a high rate of union employees and reported by a news agency which also has a high rate of union employees. I will consider the source. The article also sees fit to make sure everyone knows that the govoner is a Repuplican. Most people who are not aware of that fact probably cannot read this article. Chick, you seem to be the angry one here. Perhaps your public union contract is coming to an end and you fear you may have to EARN your next increase. As you so eloquently put it, go grab the bull by the horns. Have a nice Chick.

  • totellthetruth

    My appologies Chick. I meant to say have a nice DAY

  • totellthetruth

    Chick, you have a lot of nerve insinuating that Chris is angry. Maybe my argument will be lost on you since, with your name calling, you appear to be about 12 years old. Where would you like to govoner to cut money from? What you refer to as an “iron fist”, most rational people refer to as fiscal responsibility. When the company that I work for is haveing a tough year I assume that I will not get some automatic raise. I, being eduacated, understand the logic behind this, adjust my budget accordingly and move on with life. I should not have to adjust my budget further because people who work for ME, a taxpayer, feel entitled to more money when thier company, the state, is having a tough year. As for the article, the poll was done by a university which I will assume has a high rate of union employees and reported by a news agency which also has a high rate of union employees. I will consider the source. The article also sees fit to make sure everyone knows that the govoner is a Repuplican. Most people who are not aware of that fact probably cannot read this article. Chick, you seem to be the angry one here. Perhaps your public union contract is coming to an end and you fear you may have to EARN your next increase. As you so eloquently put it, go grab the bull by the horns. Have a nice day Chick.

  • chickvelotta

    Oh Bob, let’s review, shall we? I called no one a name in my post. Chris, on the other hand, used a cleverly disguised vulgarity and referred to unions and their members as scumbags and parasites. Sounds angry and immature to me. Perhaps bitter is a better adjective. Do you sit next to Chris in the break room?

    Bob, look around and you’ll see that most everyone, except for the very wealthy, has had to tighten the belt a bit and make some financial adjustments. If your (or Chris’) financial situation is on the fritz, don’t lash out at those who are doing well for themselves and will continue to fight for what they’ve earned. If you’re content, then so be it. You also forget that public employees are also taxpayers, just like you, Bob. Don’t flatter yourself thinking you’re any more of a hard working American than the next guy.

    You make a lot of assumptions that my employment is somehow related to my opinions. The people who are feeling the squeeze by Kasich are my friends and neighbors, so I know their standpoint well. Mismanagement of Ohio’s budget should not be put on the shoulders of a select few. The “people who work for you”, as you stated, simply don’t want to lose their benefits and right to collectively bargain with their employer. It’s not all about money. The way I see it, Bobby, every teacher, firefighter and cop “who works for you” EARNS their modest pay every day. They, like me, do have the nerve to look you, Chris and anyone else square in the face and defend their opinion on this unfortunate state that we are in. While you and your pal Chris cry about how broke you are and how your company’s not doing so well, the rest of us are at the rodeo…grabbin’ bull horns. Nice day back atcha’

  • chickvelotta

    If I was “about 12 years old”, I wouldn’t be posting political opinions online. I’d be hangin’ out at McDonalds.

  • cman

    “You also forget that public employees are also taxpayers, …”

    you’re kidding right? they pay taxes with the tax money the goverment takes from me duh!

  • dkovacs

    Mr. Smith, based on your platform, it sounds to me like you may be one of those tea party members we’ve all heard so much about lately. The Governor that you and many Ohioans support shows strong resemblance to the carpetbaggers of 1869, politically manipulating and controlling our citizens for his own financial and power gains. If the two mindsets merged their efforts and stood as one combined teabagger party, strong in numbers with one common voice, maybe you could get off your knees and stop succumbing to the greedy unions. I take the position that the common man has been on his back for too long, and it’s time he/she opens their mouths wide, as you did here in this forum. Be heard, and don’t let the opportunity to speak out dangle in the breeze. It’s time the pendulum swings back in favor of responsible government. When it gets to be 4th. and goal, the teabaggers need to sack the union QB…SACK SACK SACK!, recover the ball and march it down the field. I support you and your position. Two sides…One voice…The Ohio Teabaggers.

    Mr. Smith, I hope your not the same Mr. Robert Smith that has all the entries on the Medina Muni Court website, but that would explain why you are up at all hours of the morning typing after the bar closes. ;)

  • chickvelotta

    @ Chris

    …the money that they EARNED by putting in at least 40 hrs. a week teaching YOUR kids, patrolling YOUR street and extinguishing YOUR burning residence. Because that’s what they chose, trained for and love to do. All for you and your family, Chris. Ever had a 2nd. grade teacher throw it in your face at conferences how happy she is to live fat off your taxes? Think the FD would drive slower to your smoke filled kitchen knowing your redneck point of view? I doubt it, because these are professional people that care about YOU, even though they don’t know you. So, what should we do, Chris, get rid of them all in the name of your selfish tax reduction? Where do want your tax money to go? Back in your pocket? Don’t we all! Join the teabagger party with Bob. You two will have a ball together.

  • dkovacs

    This is too funny….. SO billions of tax dollars go to give the biggest most profitable oil companies subsidies ( tax payer billions) , tax breaks of a million dollars plus for those who buy into time shares for private jets, tax breaks of tens of millions of dollars in POLITICAL DONATIONS, Kasich hires two consulting firms at $400.00 an hour each (tax payer $$) plus incentives that could reach 13M to 19M each to negotiate (NEGOTIATE !!) something Ohioans already voted on and you cry about services that you actually received or will receive at one point in your life. So you have your bleeding heart liberals giving away the farm, your right wing tea baggers taking the SACK and wanting STIFF reform with their mouths wide open and your right wing NUTS trying to please the tea baggers. Who is out there standing up for the middle class???? NO ONE, The middle class needs to form its own political party…. Any suggestions on a clever name?

  • oc54

    Mr. Smith and Chris, we can all agree that something has to be done to get a hold of wasteful spending and balance Ohio’s budget so that we can ALL prosper. We all work hard for our money, public or private. We all have the same ideals, bust our butts for 40 years, raise our families and hope to have enough left to retire on. The middle class are all in this together, Democrat or Republican, it doesn’t matter. The point I’m trying to make is that the wealthy are getting wealthier at all of our expense while we all get farther behind the cost of living. Kasich has good intentions but at whose expense? He’s taken money away from schools and local government. You can defend him by saying that the schools and government waste money but I challenge you to do your homework instead of listening to his propaganda. All budgets are public record. Go request a copy of a budget and see where you could cut costs. Do you really want one teacher for 50 students or one cop on patrol? Sure, it can be done but do you really think that is going to be effective? I hate that I have to ask you to pay more money in taxes so that I can keep up with the cost of living. Did you know that for over the last 30 yrs, the cost of living has had an average increase of 4% annually? I don’t get a 4% raise every year. You two work in the private sector I assume. Your companies have to raise their profit margins so that they can stay above inflation too and be able give you a well deserved raise right? Because of that, I have to pay more money for your products or services, so technically I pay your salaries too! The difference is I can’t cast my vote to determine whether your companies increase the cost of their products, but YOU CAN.

    Your Police Officers, your Firemen and your Teachers are not the reason this state is almost $8 billion dollars in debt. It’s the ones that we elected in Columbus that betrayed us. Try calling Kasich or one of his 6 figure staff members at 3 o’clock in the morning when your house is on fire or someone’s trying to kick your door in. Heck, I bet you couldn’t even get them to take your PHONE CALL from 9 to 5, and you are paying them 3 times what you pay me. Rest assured, I’ll be there for you unconditionally, 24-7 no matter what! I will risk my life for you and I don’t even know you. I don’t even care that you think I’m a scumbag; I’d still be there to help you in your time of need. Why you ask? Because no one else will be!
    Here are some salaries for you to consider. They are state averages. I realize that there are exceptions to the rule and there are people within each profession that are way overpaid. I will agree with you 100% on that! That’s why we need union REFORM not union busting.

    Governor Kasich is spending a quarter-million dollars more on staff salaries than Strickland did, and the state faces a $7.6 Billion budget shortfall! Kasich’s chief-of-staff, Beth Hansen is making $170,000/yr., which is as much as President Obama’s chief of staff makes.

    10 positions in Kasich’s office make between $120,000 and $170,000 a year.

    Compare that to the following average salaries in Ohio for 2010:

    High School Teacher $55,931
    Registered Nurse (RN) $50,000
    Police Officer $53,000
    Fireman $47,000
    Ohio Senator $60,584
    Ohio House of Representatives $60,584

    Average public employees with a bachelor’s degree $57,903

    Average private sector employee with bachelor’s degree $77,530

    2010 Ohio Median Income: family of four: $73,040

  • totellthetruth

    Chick, I appologize for calling you 12 years old. I should have said 90. You are so angry and bitter that your short term memory has failed you. You didn’t call anyone names??? Really??? You called the govenor O’Johna Bin Kasich. Anyway, I keep this short so as to not confuse you so much that you forget your meds. I never said I was having money problems. I live quite comfortably (WITHIN MY MEANS). But I do make adjustments as the economy and life necessitate. Secondly, I have never questioned the professionalism of government employees, but if these friends and neighbors of yours are so hard working, they should do fine with merit increases like MOST workers. Lastly, I am up all night because I work third shift. I don’t question why you are at home in the middle of the day.

  • totellthetruth

    Dkovacs. PS, Bob Smith is not my real name. I wouldn’t use it here to keep stalkers like you from looking me up in court records. Would be a futile search anyway. You really have nothing better to do than try to find me out. I am not a tea party (bagger) member. I just to pay my fair share and to keep the majority of the money I EARN. I don’t want to give it to you. Chick, or anyone else. By the way, your post from 1:16 couldn’t be more packed with sexual innuendo (teabagger, on his back, mouths wide, dangle in the breeze, take the position, SACK, SACK, SACK). You are sooo naughty!!!

  • commoncents

    All these folks are angry about Senate Bill 5, but they should use some common sense and think through exactly what is the alternative. The cost savings from Senate Bill 5 was allocated when local government funds and school funding were reduced, Senate Bill 5 made those reductions possible. Local government must, by law, run a balanced budget. Therefore without Senate Bill 5, there will either be massive layoffs or massive tax increases. Does that make sense? I know the campaign for Senate Bill 5 is keeping a low profile while the anti SB5 folks are throwing rallies, but do not misunderstand their patience as passivity, they are loaded for bear and ready to fight.

  • chickvelotta

    Common cents, I respect your viewpoint.

    I have to go take my Geritol and a nap now.

  • chickvelotta

    I’m up now, can’t miss Lawrence Welk re-runs. Hey Bob, no comment for OC? Hard to argue with his rock solid truthfulness, huh? God bless, OC, God bless.

  • oc54

    thanks ChickV, gotta go, Matlock is on….

  • lrdad

    I love the insanity that these posts get. The bitterness towards a newly elected governor is incredible. Let’s face it, kacish, left with a $7B + budget deficit is doing exactly what he said he would do. In fact, if you are intellectually honest, it is one of the few things taht he can do.

    The State of Ohio budget dosen’t have a defense deparment for you liberals to tear apart. It is roads, salaries and schools for the most part. Taxes in Ohio are already too high to bring in new companies, so the only choices are to cut spending and try to do it without losing too many positions.

    I don’t begrudge teachers and police making what they can, but there has to be free markets. Free markets will realign state costs and give the tax payer the value we deserve.

  • faceofbravery

    Chris and Bob,
    Are you serious about the public employees paying taxes from your money. Don’t we all pay taxes from someone else’s money. You pay taxes and get a service in return, I.E. police, fire, EMS, teachers, etc., the same way someone shops at your place of employment and gets a service or product in return. It’s quite possible that I give you MY money to pay YOUR taxes. Did you think your paycheck just came from nowhere? You might rebut my comments with the point that I chose to come into your shop for your services and I could have gone elsewhere, but so could you. You could live in another state or city with less taxes(and less services.) Or you could vote against every levy from here on out(once again less services.)
    As far as merit based pay, that is fine in a lot of places of employment, but do I really want a police officer’s pay raise being based on ticket writing. I know I like the possibility of getting a warning instead of a $125 ticket, but with merit based pay, I’m sure warnings would go out the window. And what is the merit pay for a firefighter supposed to be based on? How many burning buildings they run into? So now firefighters are supposed to pray for more fires so they can get their raise and feed their family. That makes a ton of sense.
    Yes, there needs to be some reform in certain areas, but this all encompassing bill is not the right way.